What’s the Deal with OpenStack and Containers? (aka When Fads Won’t Go Away)

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Let me start this off with a very true personal story, and it leads to why containers are becoming more important than a lot of people realize.

DISCLAIMER:  This is a bit fun, but very real.  Hype is happening, but this little story should help you to see what I’m talking about and how to cut through the hype to see what is real amongst it.

When I started working in technology, I was surrounded by teams of Novell admins. I became Novell certified and began working in the infrastructure support at various levels. I was also surrounded by long-time mainframe folks who continued to say “There’s no need for these Novell servers, all the data is on the mainframe. Plus, a lot of the Novell server tools won’t be ready for production.

Fast forward a couple of years and I began exploring distributed systems on Windows platforms even though it wasn’t something that was being used at the company I was at. I was then being told by my peers “There’s no need for these Windows servers, all the data is on the mainframe or the Novell servers. Plus, Windows is too unstable and won’t be ready for production.

With all of the Windows production server infrastructure expanding, I started running Active Directory when it was on Windows 2000. Yes, Windows 2000. This was to look at migration planning, and how to fully leverage the new capabilities that it offered. Not surprisingly, I was told by many of my peers “There’s no need for Active Directory, all of the data is on the mainframe, Novell Servers, and the Windows Servers aren’t in need of a directory service. Plus, Active Directory is too new and won’t be ready for production.

Not too many months later I began exploring the world of Linux a lot more and developing orchestration scripts for that platform to help with web development. I was using a variety of tools that tied in with existing systems, and I was also expanding into PowerShell at the same time on my Windows infrastructure with full production on Active Directory. I was then told by my peers “There’s no need for orchestration, because all the automation is running on the mainframe, and now that the Novell servers are gone, the new production Active Directory can be managed in the GUI. Plus, tools like PowerShell and Linux are too new and won’t be ready for production.

I began working with VMware virtualization heavily at vSphere 2.5, and was deploying development resources into it and designing for production. I was being told by my peers “There’s no need for VMware, all of the physical servers will perform better and VMware virtualization won’t be ready for production.

Over the last 2 years I’ve been working heavily on OpenStack and container infrastructure including Docker, Rocket, and also diving in with PaaS platforms such as Cloud Foundry. Today VMware launched their cloud-native application initiative and released VMware Photon Linux and VMware Lightwave. I’ve been told over the last while, and especially today “There’s no need to look at OpenStack or all of these container platforms, because all the data is on-premises and running in virtualization platforms. Plus, things like Docker and OpenStack won’t be ready for production.

SPOILER ALERT: In another 18 months, take a guess which technologies will be flourishing in production at a lot of organizations? 😉
SPOILER ALERT: SDN and network virtualization is also on my radar and I’ve been testing lots of that…just sayin’

I’m not saying that I’m a visionary. Trust me, I am following the lead of the visionaries. I’m just simply seeing the writing on the wall and making sure to keep ahead of the curve wherever I can. I’ve been watching great leading work by Scott Lowe, Cody Bunch, Nick Weaver, James Watters, Martin Cassado, William Lam, Kenneth Hui, and many more who have been working on projects that are typically at the early part of development.

It’s not to say that everyone is going to be running containers and OpenStack, but don’t dismiss what is happening in those ecosystems. They have a strong use case. SDN and other interesting technologies are facing the same challenge. Many organizations will be slow to adopt them, and that’s fine. Just be careful when we say that it’s “Not ready for production” because while many keep repeating that phrase, the technology is catching up and ends up becoming production before people are willing to realize it.

ONE MORE NOTE:  I also don’t say that legacy is going away, or that recent technologies are going away.  There will continue to be a massive market for many technologies of varying ages and maturity for a long, long time.  Of my top 10 viewed posts this month, 6 of the 10 are PowerShell posts.  The long tail of the technology lifecycle proves itself to be as strong as the leading edge.

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9 Comments

  • Keith Tenzer
    April 21, 2015 at 4:07 am

    I think the container revolution has already started and OpenStack is the ideal infrastructure. I wrote article on how to deploy project atomic, docker and kubernetes on OpenStack in case interested. These technologies just came together.

    http://keithtenzer.com/2015/04/15/containers-at-scale-with-kubernetes-on-openstack/

    • DiscoPosse
      Eric
      April 21, 2015 at 9:03 am

      Agreed on this Keith, and great post! I have to dive in more with Atomic as well in my lab. I’m really excited by the stuff coming out of the Red Hat camp.

  • Nick Chase
    April 22, 2015 at 9:36 am

    Oh man, does that sound familiar! I still remember a 1995 conversation with my boss at an interactive development firm — a young guy, even! — who said, “Oh, this World Wide Web thing is just a fad.” Fortunately he let me take a small group and start building websites anyway. (18 months later the company had grown 1000 percent and was sold to a company that used to print Yellow Pages.)

    It’s hard for people to see past what’s comfortable and familiar, but the reality is that we no longer live in a world where we can no longer wait for technologies to be “done”. Instead we go with them as they are and mold them into what we need them to be.

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      Eric
      April 22, 2015 at 2:00 pm

      Truth! Thanks for the comment Nick, and thanks for the great OpenStack newsletter emails you send out. Gotta admit that I pretty much spend a few hours peeking over the content as soon as I get it every week 🙂

  • Sam Melehy
    April 23, 2015 at 11:44 am

    Great historical perspective. It’s really hard to predict the future. When you’ve seen the same movie over and over, however, it’s easy to predict the end. WRT the adoption of OpenStack, the big variable that is somewhat unknown is the product management capability of the foundation. Heavy influence by enterprise software that is aimed more at promoting their own enterprise software than satisfying the needs of the OpenStack user base. Can the foundation overcome this and converge on a scalable, upgradeable, enterprise ready platform?

    • DiscoPosse
      Eric
      April 23, 2015 at 4:46 pm

      Excellent comment Sam! Agreed that there is much to be overcome to increase viability. My hope is that the combination of big vendors getting behind it (even with less than altruistic intent) and the community being more effectively led, could really bring OpenStack to the next level. I am definitely seeing changes in the acceptance of the idea of more enterprise-ready type of builds.

  • Nick Chase
    April 23, 2015 at 4:47 pm

    Thanks, Eric! Glad to know I’m not the only one who falls into the great timesuck. 🙂

  • Lingesh
    September 2, 2015 at 1:06 pm

    Great Article . I also argue like this and finally end of with catching up those technologies.

    I am still thinking how quickly docker & openstack emerged in to the market . The power of Opensource revealed.
    Big IT giants are started following Opensource path.

    Regards
    Lingesh

    • DiscoPosse
      Eric
      September 8, 2015 at 9:50 am

      Hi Lingesh,

      Thanks for the comment. It is exciting to see the larger orgs taking the open source path, and let’s hope that we see much more of it!

      Eric

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